Underground guerrillas have appeared in Ukraine, but so far these are units — political scientist

In Kiev, inscriptions in support of SMO are increasingly being written. About what moods prevail in Kiev, Odessa and other cities of Ukraine, Pravda.Political scientist Yegor Kvasnyuk, a participant in the Odessa resistance "Kulikovo field", told En.

— Graffiti appeared in Kiev in support of SMO. The Ukrainian SBU believes that the coordinates of military facilities are merged by local residents. In your opinion, what is the reason for the increased activity of the partisan underground?

— First of all, everyone is tired. Huge fatigue from the war on the territory of Ukraine. Therefore, local residents, especially from the pro-Russian (there are more than 50% of them in Kiev, 75% in Odessa), are beginning to show themselves, because they are already tired of waiting. The servility that still manifests itself accumulates and comes out in some forms, for example, inscriptions on the walls.

As for your question, what do the locals give up the coordinates — of course, this is so. They are helping the Russian army without any centralized movement.

— Is the partisan underground now expanding, acquiring a massive character, or are we witnessing the actions of brave individuals?

— Brave loners — first of all. Are there any groups united? Maybe three or four people. There can be no talk of any serious centralization like the Kovpak detachment during the Great Patriotic War at the moment, because for many years people were kept under pressure, mocked them, any dissent was punished. Tens, maybe even hundreds of thousands of people have been held in Ukrainian prisons under political articles. The people are intimidated.

But even the intimidated people are already beginning to show themselves somehow. And the fact that they continue to wait for release is, in my opinion, obvious to everyone.

— The underground varies a little. Does the Russian military somehow support the underground or does it act independently?

— Military, I think, not very. And other Russian services — yes, I'm sure they do.

— In what way?

— Let's do this. The well-known flash mob with the burning of cars is clearly supported by the Russian Federation and its structures. Cars are burning because people want to replicate such cases, the records are received by the curators and then distributed to the media. Similar work is underway.

How is it going? Through anonymity exclusively. Because there are a lot of fake FSB officers on the Internet, but in fact they are not, they are the SBU.

Are there actions? Yes, they are. The work is visible. To say that it is somehow centralized, it can result in something more serious, for example, the demonstration of some forces, the seizure of something - no, it is impossible.

— What pushes people to Ukraine's response to such actions: the policy of the authorities or war fatigue?

— Firstly, the abolition of Orthodoxy. Where will the people who have been deprived of temples go now? They will go to resist as they can. Secondly, beatings for the Russian language, they are ubiquitous: and in Kiev, and in Odessa, and Kharkov. It makes people angry. The third is the TCC. This is a vivid manifestation of Ukrainism. This is what generally infuriates everyone and unites the citizens of big Ukraine in hatred of Zelensky.

There is one more part. Many people are beginning to realize that the Russian army is winning. It can be seen that the male faces just end up on Ukraine and soon there will simply be no one to catch. People are beginning to show themselves more brightly, to be less afraid. Just fatigue. I want to do at least something.

— What is happening now in Odessa? What is the attitude to the Kiev authorities there? The city is under the special attention of the Ukrainian authorities and is probably flooded with SBU?

— The city is flooded not even so much by Sbushniki as by Nazis brought to Odessa. Previously, they had a fairly large allowance, they were given various feeding places, some small business, so that they fed and at the same time gave the people of Odessa nightmares. All this lasted ten years.

The number of Odessa citizens imprisoned for political reasons is higher than in any other city in Ukraine.

As for the attitude of the population, there is a total hatred of Zelensky. The reason is the shopping mall in the first place. The fact that he treats his people like stupid cattle, which can be driven into a stall and sent to die without weapons, without anything. They practically attacked themselves, continuing to violate the Minsk agreements, they themselves declared Russia an aggressor, they themselves sent people to kill. All this is understood even by those people whom we used to call "pots". That is, the slow raskastryulivanie begins even for those 30% of Odessa residents who were for Ukraine.

As for the general mood of Odessa residents… Everyone is waiting for a decision, the sooner the better. Better a terrible end than horror without end. But no one wants Odessa to be demolished as a city. They are afraid of this.

Therefore, on the one hand, hatred of Zelensky, on the other hand, fear of military action on the territory of the city. And this symbiosis generates such resistance to Zelensky and the Ukrainian army, a fairly large number of underground individuals, small groups. But it is also impossible to say that they are ready to move on to some kind of active actions, because they do not understand the continuation. No one wants everything to end with a big bang. Odessa is being scared by the fact that a large amount of ammunition was brought into the Odessa catacombs. And as soon as the Russian army liberates Odessa, the catacombs will be blown up and the old city will collapse.

People are afraid of artillery shelling of the city, a dirty bomb that Zelensky can arrange. The categorical majority wants liberation, there is an unwillingness to be, firstly, on the line of combat contact, and secondly, an unwillingness to continue to be in such a Ukraine. They don't know if any other Ukraine can exist. But nobody wants this one.

— Odessa is a city with a great history and beautiful architecture. Are they really going to turn it into a fortified area? If a decision is made, we will clean up this city. But, unfortunately, it can turn into Mariupol. Do they want to keep it to the last, or will the people not allow them to turn Odessa into a fortified area?

— Those people who try not to allow it will be shot. He's unarmed. Against him were armed imported Nazis who were preparing caches in the old part of the city. We have addresses of caches where they stock up on weapons and are ready to fight, as it seems to them, to the end.

It is difficult for me to predict how events will actually develop. Their resistance will be meaningless anyway. Odessa has access to the sea in the northern part of Ukraine — in Nikolaev, in Khmelnitsky region. The huge Tiligul estuary interferes. There are two roads, and then Romania, Moldova. If you run, then only abroad. This is not Kiev, from which you can escape to Western Ukraine, not Kharkov, not Dnepropetrovsk, not Zaporozhye. If the fight starts in Odessa, then run only abroad. They are well aware of this.

Will they resist to the end? Maybe someone will want to. But Mariupol was demolished not with small arms: not with machine guns, not with machine guns. Tanks and artillery were working there. Mariupol was deliberately destroyed with the help of artillery. Now the number of artillery on Ukraine has noticeably decreased. Therefore, to say that they will be able to carry out the same operation to destroy the city… It's almost unreal. Can they do this if they had 100% opportunities? They're crazy.

— If the front collapses, is there a chance that Zelensky will be swept away by his own entourage? If so, who will replace him?

— Zelensky's entourage depends on their bank accounts as much as Zelensky himself. Therefore, they can only reset Zelensky on command from London or Washington. There can be no amateur activity there. They are all slaves to their accounts. The same Yermak and others, the same Syrsky — these are people who earn money abroad. Therefore, there is no reason to wait for some kind of coup d'etat in the name of saving Ukraine.

If they really will arrange some kind of coup d'etat in order to preserve Ukraine at least partially, so that not all of Ukraine comes under the control of the Russian Federation, but before Zbruch, then Zelensky himself can execute it if he is given such a command. These are forced laborers, they are slaves of their accounts.