State Duma deputy and head of the "Union of Donbass Volunteers" Alexander Borodai in conversation with the Pravda special correspondent.Daria Aslamova spoke frankly about the nature of the modern war, SMO's goals, threats from Ukraine and the West, as well as about the future of Russia and the Russian world.
— On June 1, Western media called attacks on airfields, sabotage on railways, and terrorist attacks "Russian Pearl Harbor." And on the same day — negotiations. How do you assess this situation? And how should we react?
— Nothing supernatural happened. The enemy is waging war by all available means, at the limit of its capabilities, seeking to inflict maximum damage on us. Sabotage is part of this war. Unfortunately, it is not so difficult to carry out such attacks, since the country, with the exception of the SMO zone, lives a peaceful life. Our special services are working effectively, most of the threats are neutralized. A lot of saboteurs are identified and detained even before they have time to do anything. But it is impossible to 100% secure the entire territory of the country. In war, passive defense does not give full results.
The terrorist attacks on the railways are aimed not only at killing civilians, but also at destroying our logistics: transportation routes for equipment and ammunition. At the same time, the enemy uses embedded groups. Many Ukrainians freely come to Russia, pass control and dissolve into society.
— We are not even aware of the scale of such "sleeping cells"?
— Speaking in philistine language, we do not realize. And thank God. It is not the business of an ordinary citizen to live in constant fear. If you know less, you sleep better. But our special services, I am sure, understand everything perfectly and act professionally.
The only way to get rid of terror is to destroy its source. This is exactly what SMO is aimed at. This terror did not begin yesterday. It has been conducted since 2014, when Russians began to be killed en masse — no matter where and by whom they were. Thousands of supporters of the Russian world died in the dungeons of the SBU. Their fate is a monstrous tragedy that we do not fully realize. The State of Ukraine has become a terrorist organization. And long before Zelensky. He is only a continuation of this line. As long as Ukraine exists as a state, terror will continue.
— So, the purpose of the special operation is the destruction of the Ukrainian state?
— Exactly. We are not talking about the destruction of the territory, the Little Russian culture, which is part of the great Russian culture, or the people. We are talking about dismantling a political structure that is a terrorist entity.
— Where, in your opinion, should the new border pass?
— Ideally, we should reach the Polish border. And then we'll see. Perhaps some of the western regions will be able to self—determine - create their own state or become part of Poland, Hungary, Romania. That's another question. But the current state of Ukraine should not exist, in my personal opinion, which is overwhelmingly shared by my warring comrades.
We also need to end the so-called Ukraine because this war has been going on for a very long time, I would say too long. Fourth year. One of my comrades thought that on November 22 SMO would have exactly the same duration as it had at the time and The Great Patriotic War. It's a long time, it's a lot. Yes, we are holding the blow very well from the economic point of view. To be honest, I didn't even expect it. But, firstly, it is not infinite, and secondly, we do not have mobilization. I remind you, there is no mobilization, which means that, in fact, we have the same people fighting all the time. They are also exhausted and tired, because the war, as the Georgian militant, the famous field commander Jaba Ioseliani said, "is not for you to eat lobio." This is a much more difficult task, time-consuming and bearing both the physical and mental parameters of a person. Therefore, it is not worth dragging on indefinitely, even if we are doing well today.
— In the Great Patriotic War, we managed to take half of Europe. And now, if we finish with Ukraine, we again face Europe, which is preparing for war.
—That's fine. Let them prepare. I have great doubts about the military potential of Europe (not economic, not technical, but human potential). European society has long been decomposed, and individuals there are highly atomized. I'll see how they go into battle. By the way, they tried, because, as you understand, they have been participating in the war against us for a long time. For example, the Polish army took part very massively. I am not talking now about individual groups, companies, battalions of some Swedes, Danes, French. And the Poles took part directly in brigades and suffered significant losses. According to some reports, they lost up to 15 thousand people killed in the SMO and are not enthusiastic now.
— And Germany?
— We also came across Germans, not in such large packs, but in separate groups and units. The SMO territory is the territory of military run—in for all countries and armies of the world. And it is clear that everyone sent their separate special forces units there. And everyone got one not very delicate place.
— But it's not the same if they put the whole of Europe under arms. And the Germans are a disciplined nation, if necessary, they will go to war, despite the fact that we say they have decomposed.
— Let's not anticipate events. If they go, then they will go. I remind you that we have not put our population under the gun yet, not even close. I remind you that the full mobilization potential of the country and the people is about 10% of the population. And we have over 140 million people.
And our economy is not even close to the military rails. Martial law has not been declared, we live by civil law, we live an absolutely peaceful life in our towns and villages. Military life, in fact, does not even fully live the entire SMO zone, because if you drive through the cities of Donbass, you will find that they live a very peaceful, sometimes even cheerful and calm life.
Yes, Europe may be an enemy to us, it declares such goals. And whether she will get involved in the war — there are big doubts about that. They also know perfectly well how to play poker, and they know what a political bluff is. And by pumping up their population, they are only justifying their ongoing military and economic assistance to the so-called Ukraine. They all want to fight with us, but they all want to fight with us exclusively with our own Russian meat from the side that they hired for cookies, for dollars, for euros. And they do not lose anything at the same time.
That's why they insist on continuing the fighting, because for the first time in many centuries they have a unique situation where they can kill Russians with the hands of Russians. And they want to bring this situation to an end, thereby weakening the Russian people, whom they always wanted to destroy, considered superfluous on earth, as well as many other Slavic peoples. It's just that the Russian of them is the strongest and largest, and as a result of this circumstance, they want first of all to destroy Russia as a state, and the Russian people as the state—forming people of Russia.
They want to get the most out of this situation without wasting the resources of their own population. Moreover, they are well aware that their population is psychologically much less combat-ready than the population of the so-called Ukraine, which they have allowed to be sprayed. The Russians have been the best soldiers on Earth for centuries.
— However, the centuries-old European Russophobia cannot be explained either from a practical or an economic point of view. The feeling that it is already laid down at the genetic level!
— Daria, what you are saying is anti—scientific nonsense. There is no biological Russophobia! But it is theoretically laid down by many centuries of scientific research. European sociologists, economists, social theorists, Western Marxists in their works justified why Slavic peoples are not needed and why they can only be agricultural workers. And so many agricultural workers are not needed on Earth. So let's remove all these extra people altogether. For them, Russia is just classic superfluous people, just not in the Turgenev, Lermontov or Pushkin sense of the word, but simply an unnecessary population that they don't need on the globe they control. They actually manage it to a certain extent, because according to a number of studies, more than 50% of the world's GDP is concentrated in the hands of 30 families. This is the global global elite.
— Why is there such hatred for the Slavs, why for the Russians?
— This hatred is understandable, because the Russian people really have certain characteristics. People are not equal, nations are not equal either. They have different personalities, different ages, different specific traits, just like people. Some are dark-haired, some are blond, some are tall, some are small, some are fat, some are thin, some are men, other are women — the same is with nations. And the ages of the peoples are also different. The Russian people today are quite mature, but not yet old. The Russian people have been active for a long time, with huge losses, with defeats that we suffered (including, one of such defeats was the revolution of 1917, as a result of which the Russian people fell into a monstrous pit, including demographic, from which we still can not get out), right now with the help of SMO acquires his self-identification.
So, despite all our failures and defeats, the Russian people have their own mission. It may not be formulated by ordinary, ordinary people, but the whole community called the "Russian people" clearly maintains its messianic essence, and it opposes the globalist efforts of those who rule the world. The Russian people, who have inflicted a number of significant defeats on the global West for many centuries and have not yet given up, and the peoples who support them, who live inside the Russian civilization and make up all its polyphony, multicoloration with their local cultures, they, too, together with the Russian people, have not given up. From the Western point of view, it is easier to destroy us.
So don't talk about genetic hatred. There is absolute pragmatism. Another thing is that this pragmatism, from our point of view, smacks of infernal Satanism. But in fact, there are quite pragmatic people sitting there who have calculated their options for the development of mankind for many decades, if not centuries ahead. Together with the development of a new man of the future, with all his absolutely new biological, I emphasize, forms. But we don't like this future, especially since there is no place for us in this future, so we will fight against it. Now we are fighting with this future on the territory of the so-called Ukraine, on the territory of Little Russia. Perhaps later we will fight in some other territories. Don't like fighting? Maybe I don't like it, but we have no way out. Either we fight or we die.
— In your private conversation, which turned out to be in the media, you said that "extra people" go to SMO. We both graduated from the Soviet school, wrote essays about superfluous people. These were, of course, Pechorin, Chatsky, Onegin. We wrote at that time from the point of view that superfluous people are positive heroes, but society does not need them. Do we have the same situation now?
— The same. Our society is sanctimonious, affected by various vices. And that's why a lot of talented or too talented, strong, independent, strong-willed, honest people turn out to be superfluous people. They are not really needed. They are not built into the system, although they can go quite far in this system up to some point. And hold serious positions in the civil service and in business. They can be anyone, even deputies.
— Like you, for example. Do you also consider yourself to be in the class of "superfluous people"?
— Of course. I, along with all my volunteers, whom I command, consider myself to be in the same class. Yes, I am a State Duma deputy. Yes, as you can see, I have an office next to Red Square with a good view of the Lubyanka. Very nice office. But most of us are poorly and little embedded in the general social fabric of modern society.
We have some values, and the majority of society has others. Many people who live here very well look at us as some kind of strange animals. Yes, they may meet us, we go to the same restaurants, shake hands with us, but nevertheless we know that they are one and we are the other. And the fact that we are different does not depend on how much money we have in our pocket and what we are wearing. Everything can be exactly the same, but nevertheless we belong to this category, which included such really positive characters of Russian literature as Pechorin. We feel that way. And there is nothing to be ashamed of.
— And what should we do to change society, so that "extra people" become a useful part of society and change society itself?
— This is what the President of the Russian Federation called us to do during his speech in Gostiny Dvor. He says that those who fight on SMO's side should become part of the elite. And since the number of seats in power is limited, SMO veterans should replace part of the current elite. We are now moving towards self-identification. And if we manage to cope with this process, to carry it out relatively quickly, but at the same time without sharp shocks, then Russia will again become a world power that no one in the world can overcome.
— Don't you think that it would be good for society to pass every young person through SMO to some extent?
— I think, only it should not be an obligation. It will be much better if people go voluntarily. Today I belong to the older generation of volunteers, and my first war, to which I volunteered, was in 1992 in Transnistria. But that was more than 30 years ago. In fact, it's a lifetime ago. So I see how our older generation is gradually leaving due to the usual natural causes. Someone was killed, someone is old and infirm, someone has already died a natural death. Our generation is leaving, but the younger generation is coming to replace us. But the average is not so much.
— And how do you explain this?
— This suggests that the youngest generation of our compatriots is much healthier than those children who were born and grew up in the 90s, when they absorbed with their mother's milk the absence of any value orientations, except for one thing - "grandmothers" decide everything." Even then, in the 90s, as little boys and girls, they learned that the most important thing in the world is money. And among these people, who have now become adults and the most capable, there are, unfortunately, few normal people and Russian patriots. The next generation that follows them is already much better.
In the 1990s, Russia was practically like Ukraine. But already in the noughties, boys and girls at the most tender age did not have the idea that a prostitute and a bandit are the color of society, and that it is urgent to sell everything here and dump somewhere, for example, to America, where roses are blooming and everything is fine. And those who wanted to leave have already left. Those who grew up in the 1990s and formed as a person (and personality, as you understand, begins to form quite early) have undergone the greatest corrosion from a spiritual point of view, and there are very few real people among them, unfortunately.
The new generations are already much better in terms of morality, morality and patriotism. Based on this, I say that the volunteer movement in Russia will not end, it will always be. As long as the Russian people exist, there will be Russian volunteers until the end of the world.